Regional MPPs Provides Rationale to Increase Legislature Size
Thursday April 05th 2007, 5:57 pm
Filed under: - Electoral Reform, Canadian Politics

From Macleans.ca

I wish/hope that the final Ontario proposal does not leave it to party leaders and staff to rank the PR-elected members. Our leader-centric democracy already resides too much power over nominations, elections and parliaments in the hands of party leaders, we don’t need to hand them even more power over determining who gets elected. Canada is in bad need of restoring the idea that elected representatives owe their primary allegiance to voters, not to parties or leaders. An open list is better than a closed list, for it leaves the ranking of who gets elected in voters hands, where it belongs. -Rick Anderson (Fireweed Democracy Project)

I agree entirely. Which is why it is critical that the Ontario Citizens’ Assembly re-examine whether the 30% proportional seats are open- or closed-list (i.e. whether or not voters get a say in who gets elected) and whether those members are accountable to voters in a given region or not.

Regional MMP gives a rationale for enlarging the legislature — you aren’t just creating more seats just so that parties are fairly represented (i.e. get their fair share of the seats); rather, these new members introduce a critical missing scale of representation into the legislature — the regional scale. Suddenly, regional issues (i.e. issues that span more than one riding, but are not necessary province-wide issues) — like traffic congestion, smog, improving commuter service, regional tourism, urban and rural economic development, growth management, etc — with regional MPPs, these issues finally gain a voice in Queen’s Park. And far from balkanizing the province into regions, it ensures that all parties take into account all regions, rather than cater exclusively only to regions in which they are assured of getting the most votes (which is what our present system does). Thus, regional MPP is the key to looking after the overall interests of the province. Suddenly, Conservatives in Toronto, or Liberals in rural Ontario, or NDPers in London will have a voice in Queen’s Park. Their vote will help elect an MPP.

So why does the OCA model have province-wide closed lists? They were deemed necessary because up until the last minute the OCA was considering keeping all 107 local ridings (some argued to reduce this to 100). However, in the group sessions, they came to the conclusion, quite rightly, that you could have as little as 90 local ridings without negatively impacting local representation (as my 90-seat riding map clearly illustrates). They worried, quite rightly, that 25% PR seats wasn’t enough. And they also wanted to have the overall legislature at or below the previous 130 seats. So the decision to lower the local seats to 90 came quite late in the game. And the decision to have either closed- or open lists was not deemed important enough to include in the initial round of decision-making. I believe this was a mistake, because whether the lists are open- or closed is a make-or-break issue for most Ontarians who have been following the process.

What the OCA didn’t do is then re-assess the model’s other characteristics, including whether it was necessary or desirable to retain province-wide closed lists, in light of the new 90 local seats. Province-wide closed list is therefore a vestige of the early model that kept 100 or 107 local ridings. With 30% proportional seats *and* allowing overhangs, there is no need to have a single province-wide list as long as the regional lists are not too small. With 5 Southern regions (East, Southwest, Central, Horseshoe, Toronto), you get an average of 7.2 list seats per region (ranging from 6 in the East to 8 in Toronto and the Horseshoe). This is large enough to ensure women and minorities are nominated (min 5 is needed), but small enough to allow for open-list. Voters simply mark an X next to their favourite of the 6-to-8 candidates for their preferred party (a vote for that candidate is a vote for his/her party). It’s not complicated at all.

The OCA is right to worry that a single province-wide list may or may not be geographically balanced. So they considered rules to ensure it is. But they seem to have come to the conclusion that as self-interested entities, the parties will naturally have geographically-balanced lists.

But that’s an erroneous assumption. It assumes that parties are interested in appealing to all regions equally. Not so if a party thinks it can gain more votes by pitting one region against others (or simply by focusing its efforts in select regions). This is quite possible. For example, playing on the impression that the Ontario Liberal Party is too Toronto-centric, the PCs could very well decide that, on balance, they could gain more seats outside of Toronto than they would gain inside Toronto if they united a rural Ontario message against the Toronto-centric Liberals. And they would probably be right. At best, the PCs gain 7 Toronto MPPs under a 129-seat MMP model. They could gain a considerable more if they ran an anti-Toronto campaign. If so, they may well place only rural list candidates high on their list. So, here, the PCs make a strategic decision to favour rural Ontario over Toronto. Their resultant list members therefore would be very rural-centric, effectively sacrificing Toronto list MPPs in order to gain a larger number of party votes outside of Toronto. This is just one example of where a party might make a strategic decision not to run lists that are geographically balanced.

Others are equally likely — the Greens might decide that with limited resources, they will not direct any funding to local campaigns at all and focus only on getting list MPPs elected (indeed they would be foolish not to do this). Their most effective strategy would certainly be to concentrate on urban voters with a message that asks people to vote NDP or Liberal locally, but vote Green on the party vote. Their limited dollars will be most effective in urban centres rather than spread themselves thin across rural Ontario. So, their lists might have only urban candidates high on the lists.

So, it is naive and simply wrong to believe that parties will naturally take into account all regions (by ensuring top-ranked candidates come from all regions).

The OCA is begging the question of geographic balance for list seats because it feels that it has geography covered with local seats. Except, those local seats have only one member. So unless you vote for the winner, that local voice won’t share your concerns. A regional MPP, on the other hand, would. And that regional MPP could speak to concerns specific to your region.

I strongly urge the Citizens Assembly to take another look in the final weekend of their deliberations at the question of province-wide vs. regional list members and whether those votes are open- vs. closed-list. Not only is open-list and regional list members a far easier sell to Ontarians, it is a far better system — it’s more accountable, it ensures that all regions are treated fairly, it gives a rationale for restoring the legislature to pre-1999 levels, and, with overhang seats, it still ensures that overall results are proportional.


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I agree.

Comment/commentaire by janfromthebruce 04.05.07 @ 6:45 pm

I would prefer that neither parties nor voters have a direct say in the list.

Giving it to voters biases the result to larger communities and high profile candidates.

Giving it to parties biases the result to insiders who can’t be bothered to run at the riding level.

I would prefer to see the list drawn from defeated candidates who sought election at the riding level.

My preference would be to rank the party list by the popular vote that each defeated candidate for that party received in their riding.

That would make working hard to finsih second or third as important as winning a local race-in terms of election-and that would improve the quality of local races across any province.

And it would mean that all MPPs had taken part in a riding level election as a prerequisite to sitting at Queen’s Park.

Comment/commentaire by Cfsr 04.05.07 @ 6:50 pm

Second.

Comment/commentaire by Devin 04.05.07 @ 8:06 pm

Cfsr has ideas similar to my own. PR can be used for many reasons, one is to create minorty governments, this I oppose, but the other is to ensure the opposition gets fair representation. With a system where defeated candidates get the extra seats, you put a limit on any particular parties. lets take Toronto for example, with 20 ridings, and 5 list seats. any party can only take a maximum of 20 of these 25 seats, even if they somehow manage to take more then 80% of the vote, meaning the opposition will always have some representation in each region.

Comment/commentaire by Nick J Boragina 04.06.07 @ 5:06 am

Nick, no party is ever going to break 80% in any region, so the point is moot. Moreover, candidates who lost at the riding level probably lost for a reason. If I vote against a candidate in my riding, it’s not just so that person can be elected to the legislature on the list!

Comment/commentaire by Tom 04.06.07 @ 7:40 pm

Keep in mind the OCA emphasis on simplicity: that an open list may cause too big a ballot. Your sample ballot was an excellent design. But it had only five regional candidates for each party. I don’t think OCA members bought it. With an average of 15 MPPs per region, major parties will want to nominate 15 or so list candidates each. Your sample ballot needs at least 50 names on it.

In North Rhine – Westphalia, the only German province with fewer than 35% list MPPs, they have 128 local MPPs and at least 53 list seats. The SPD list had 129 names, since most (125) were dual candidates. The CDU list had 126 names.

Can you make the ballot simple enough?

Comment/commentaire by Wilf Day 04.08.07 @ 9:21 am

Wilf — one way to limit the size of the ballot, if that is a concern, is to simply have the regional ballot have as many candidates as there are available regional seats. In a 6-region 129-seat (90+39) MMP system, the largest region — Toronto — would have 8 regional MPPs. So each party would nominate 8 MPPs. With dual-listing allowed (running on both local and regional ballots), parties would have to be very strategic in who they nominate regionally. They could, in theory, simply run all their local candidates on the regional ballot. But since about 80% of local candidates are men and minorities are under-represented as well, parties would be under pressure not to run all local candidates on the regional ballot. It would not be wise to run a candidate on the regional ballot who is assured of a win locally, for example. Regardless, this is not a large ballot. People look for the party they want to support and they mark an X next to one of the 8 candidates for the party of their choice. I’ll give Ontarians a little more credit than you seem to — I think they can pick their preferred candidate off a list of 8. It’s quite simple. And the ballot isn’t very big. So instead of the 5 on my sample ballot, there would be 8. There’s no significant difference. I don’t think the OCA even looked at my proposal, so I doubt “they didn’t buy it”.

Comment/commentaire by democraticspace 04.08.07 @ 6:42 pm

How do we guarantee equal representation for women? Closed lists as used in Wales and the Basque country had ensured that 52 per cent of representatives in the Welsh assembly are women.

Comment/commentaire by eeid 04.09.07 @ 3:13 pm

eeid — we can’t “guarantee” 50% women (we would need legislated quotas to do that, which is probably a bad idea). But, parties can and should take it upon themselves to ensure they run an equal number of men and women. How can they do that? The most obvious first step is to ensure that their regional list is gendered balanced. The second step is to nominate women in ridings not already held by an incumbent. And thirdly, of course, is to recruit women to run for the nomination when incumbent males retire.

Comment/commentaire by democraticspace 04.09.07 @ 3:24 pm

“How do we guarantee equal representation for women?”

Parties can find any number of ways if they wish.

An example which you may not have realized is this: suppose this MMP model had been in effect in 2003. Suppose the Ontario PCs nominated their same local candidates, and put them all on the list. Now suppose they put men and women in alternate spots. (In reality most Conservative Parties in Europe put women in every third spot, but let’s suppose they used 50/50.) The PCs had 21 women candidates. The top 42 list spots could have gender equality. With fewer seats, the PCs might have won 22 local seats. Out of those top 42 names, say 17 of them won local seats. PC voters deserved 47 seats. That leaves 25 list seats. That makes up the top 42 names of which half are women. Okay, then the final five local MPPs are all men, so the PC caucus is only 45% women, but the point is, they could do that if they really wanted to, without putting anyone on the list but locally nominated candidates.

Comment/commentaire by Wilf Day 04.09.07 @ 11:35 pm

Good stuff, Greg…shifting to an open regional list instead of a closed provincial list, very important that the OCA members think this “detail” through properly as they finalize things. The closed-list path they defaulted to is inherently undemocratic, and equips opponents of the larger PR-MMP initiative with a useful weapon to defeat the whole project. Sure hope they fix that….

Comment/commentaire by Rick Anderson 04.10.07 @ 2:39 am



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