Ontario Leader Debate Post-Mortem
Thursday September 20th 2007, 5:53 pm
Filed under: - 2007 ON Election, Canadian Politics

I think Tory did a good job, McGuinty was clearly the prime target so was pretty average, and Hampton was not great. So it’s Tory-McGuinty-Hampton 1-2-3 in my books. While Tory did well to get his message across, after a while, the same story got old — yes, McGuinty broke his word, yadda yadda yadda.

McGuinty was clearly getting it from both sides; he seemed content to merely survive without any major errors and hopefully convey that progress has been made, which he more or less did. But he certainly didn’t win any new fans. His intonation is so flat, it’s hard to get very excited about his answers — and his handlers need to tell him that most people don’t fixate on the numbers in a debate (Tory’s personal stories were more effective to a general audience, even though they may or may not be representative of reality). The question is whether he lost support?

But McGuinty’s tone seemed positively upbeat compared to Hampton, who looked depressed to be there (I understand he was sick). Hampton made a few key points on the MPP salary increase and tuition, but Hampton at times seemed to struggle to get his points across in what felt like more like a debate between McGuinty and Tory. Hampton took too long getting to his answers, wasting the first half with fluff (which McGuinty did this at times as well).

I didn’t think there was any particular single knock-out punch, so I wonder — is it enough to see a movement in the polls? (we’ll see). You get the impression that Tory is a decent guy, although I’m having a hard time seeing him as the “man of the people” he wants us to, given his patrician up-bringing (did I hear him right that he understands poverty from his neighborhood — uh, doesn’t he live in Rosedale, like the richest neighborhood in the city?).

McGuinty has a point about the PC’s leaving office a mess, but he didn’t really have a good answer for why he didn’t follow through on other commitments. And how many times can you say “we’ve made progress, and there’s more to do”? Hampton was throw off by Steve’s question about the economy and the former NDP government; he wasn’t really able to answer that one.

Overall, it was pretty much as expected — Tory and Hampton playing the broken promises card and McGuinty reminding voters of what has been accomplished. Tory came across as the most personable, but he’s saddle with a couple of policy positions that won’t win him votes (religious school funding, expanding private healthcare), so it’s not clear if leadership alone can win it. Indeed, the polls have shown Tory leading on leadership, but his party still trailing. So now we await the polls to see if anything has changed…


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I thought it was a clear Tory win. He looked strong and decisive and clearly put McGuinty on the defensive. I thought hampton did well and made his points well. McGuinty didn’t look comfortable. Clearly as Premier he was going to be under attack but he looked down, away from the other candidates, he was uncomfortable and it showed. He tried to blame everything on previous governments and kept repeating there was work to be done – no kidding – he had four years – time for Tory.

Comment/commentaire by Elecia 09.20.07 @ 6:46 pm

Two things, I really thought it was a draw and nobody was watching anyways, given the insane 6:30 start.

Comment/commentaire by Steve V 09.20.07 @ 7:16 pm

I think Tory was the clear winner. He seemed calm and relaxed. Dalton McGuinty seemed to be having a problem defending his record, blaming everything on everyone else. He even reached back to the Rae government 12 or 13 years ago to try to explain actions/inactions of his government. I kept wanting to ask, at which point does your government start being responsible; this year, next? I think Hampton had a great point about priorities when he pointed out Mr McGuinty had time to get a huge salary raise for MPP through but didn’t have time to address the clawback on low income people. I also found it funny that McGuinty kept nodding through this part as if he was agreeing with Hampton. A good night for Tory and Hampton – McGuinty better find some better lines to defend his record cus that is what is on the line for the election. I know the NDP government had its problems and the Harris government had theirs but we already voted on that (and we all know the results). Now it is time to vote on the McGuinty record.

Comment/commentaire by Ron 09.20.07 @ 8:21 pm

McGuinty was shifty and weaselly. He bobbed and waved effectively enough to avoid a knockout, but both Hampton and Tory managed to bruise him a bit.I scored it thus: McGuinty C, Hampton B-, Tory B-. I really don’t see this as having any effect on the outcome of the election.

Comment/commentaire by Ken Yurchuk 09.20.07 @ 11:07 pm

The leaders debate was a non-event, unlikely to make much impact on this fixed date election, which itself hasn’t made much impact on people. Expect little movement in the polls, a low turnout and a minority government with the NDP holding the balance of power- a satisfactory result for most. Not too many people, except the partisan, really care if it is McGuinty back or Tory in as Premier.

Comment/commentaire by PJC 09.21.07 @ 1:56 am

the debate is not big because people watch it – they dont. it’s not big even because reporters watch it. it’s big because the reporters talk about it.

Comment/commentaire by Nick J Boragina 09.21.07 @ 6:06 am

I thought it was a basically draw between Tory and McGuinty with Hampton a weak third. I doubt if many votes will change as a result of this debate. If they do, however, I think Hampton’s poor showing may open the NDP to being passed by the Greens in the popular vote.

Comment/commentaire by Gord 09.21.07 @ 9:19 am

I agree with Gord, it was a draw between McGuinty and Tory since they equally did a poor job, and Hampton was a train wreck. Every question asked to Hampton resulted in long pauses. I really hope the Green Party passes the NDP in popular vote, then their won’t be any reason from excluding them from future debates.

Comment/commentaire by Karl 09.21.07 @ 12:23 pm

The Green party is polling quite high right now but that is probably mostly parked votes. Come election day a lot of Green sympathizers will choose not to throw their vote away after all.
As fot the debate- it was the most meaningless one I can remember. McGuinty did the best I thought, but they were all weak, it was a boring debate, and at 6:30, nobody was watching. It was also too early in the campaign. It should have been held about 10 days prior to E-Day. Any attempt to discuss the debate, or the election, at least in my workplace, is so far met by blank stares.

Comment/commentaire by Owin 09.21.07 @ 2:06 pm

boring?
I’ve watched many debates. Most of which I turn off long before it’s done due to it being boring. I watched this one end to end.

Comment/commentaire by Nick J Boragina 09.21.07 @ 3:08 pm

Hampton was throw off by Steve’s question about the economy and the former NDP government; he wasn’t really able to answer that one.

The question made no sense… was he trying to intimate that the NDP has “mishandled” the North American recession of 1990-1991?

I think McGuinty scraped by… barely, but compared to either Hampton or Tory, he was the least spontaneous, and seemed ill-prepared as he constantly referred to his notes. While his initial description of his sheer agony in breaking a promise which was obviously untenable in the first place was reasonably convincing, his attempt to use this repeatedly as a mark of “good character” or leadership wore thin.

Comment/commentaire by Josh 09.21.07 @ 5:28 pm

It was fair game for Steve Paikin to have gone after the NDP’s record from ‘90-’95. No question that they walked right into a recession but within that they screwed up. The first Floyd Laughren budget was disastrous as the NDP tried to prime the pump and ran the first 11-digit deficit at over $10 billion.

Bob Rae winces when asked about that budget and was apologetic about it long before he became a Liberal.

The NDP always try to claim some moral high ground but their one performance in office was a dismal failure. They took a bad situation, sure, but they made the very worst of it.

Comment/commentaire by Karl 09.23.07 @ 9:30 am



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